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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:16 pm
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Forum Newbie
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
Posts: 37
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Ahh yes, I believe angry said I was wall hacking back on monkey_l too. It appears anyone who can corrispond sound to location = wallhacker. Oh and I'm quite sure this is from turkeyburgers I would assume, when you were getting spawn camped by me?
In any case, its quite the chill and easy spot to play. just preshoot dwon the exit from the spawn tunnel thing, not a problem. Saying I did something like know who was on who's team is clearly not indentifiable by simply one persons word.
I've been playing here for months now, no doubt something like this would have came up LONG ago if this was the case......are you sure you aren't just getting mad...kibbles chum? |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:23 pm
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Forum H4xor
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
Posts: 2750
Location: Maryland
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I would really like to see a demo before anyone is banned for cheating. |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:35 pm
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Forum Soldier
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 264
Location: Bellevue, Nebraska
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I agree a demo (evidence) is necessary |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:36 pm
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Forum H4xor
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Idaho
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I'm with SB on this one. |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:49 pm
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Forum H4xor
Joined: 07 Aug 2005
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Location: South Amboy, New Jersey
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well, this is a real touchy situation here. Like chips said it's a admin's word against a player's words. W/out a demo this is a real tough situation. However, fjorn is a admin and chips obviously trusts him enough and his judement to have made him one. On the other hand though like chips said, i do also find it hard to believe that Muchez would do something like this after all the stuff thats happened between CfH and himself. I mean for the past few months i've played w/ him, everything has been cool and theres been no problems. So i dunno.
Now. i do actually remember coming on the main when this going on, (i came on for hunted) but it was toward the end and i really didnt kno what was going on. I knew something was up though because it was discussed. I saw jum in spec, thought maybe he was specing much or whatever i dunno, but this is all i kno. Like i said this a touchy situation here and w/out a demo, it's tougher. |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:01 am
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Forum Sniper
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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Location: LI, NY
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It was so bad that night I started calling him "He Who Can See Through Walls". The "I can hear you" reasoning was acceptable to a point, but the blind kills got to be so wildly successful that it became implausible.
That being said, I'm here to defend him.
The guy is so damned skilled that in my opinion (though unsolicited) it should require a demo for a ban. Anyone that good should have to be proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. |
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What other server let's you do stuff like this?? -Chips
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:59 am
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Forum Sniper
Joined: 15 Apr 2007
Posts: 524
Location: Goleta(about 1-2 hours above LA)
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I know that of everyone on the forum's opinion, mine is probably the least relevant, and everyone's kind of been saying the same thing, but I agree with AngryOldMan. Muchez is pretty damm good, and I know from my experiance in the game, that if you know the map and position your self properly, you can use sound to determine who's coming from where, and sometimes even if it's an ally or not. |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:10 am
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Forum Sniper
Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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Location: In the rain
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I know he was good, and spawn camping, I don't mind
and hearing to location ... sure, but that doesn't explain why you only fired when it was hostile showing up
Nonetheless, as I didn't get a demo, I'm going to unban you (or some other admin will if they beat me to it) |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:46 am
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Forum H4xor
Joined: 30 Nov 2004
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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I know personally you can hear a pretty damn far distance and judge accordingly, especially with footsteps on(if footsteps were off on the server, this would be an easier argument). |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:05 am
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Teh Fuzzy Cuteness
Joined: 25 Nov 2004
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Location: Mid-State New York
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I think we need to start giving this guy frequent ban flyer miles. Let him get a tacky mug emblazoned with the cfh logo every, like, 5th time he gets banned and unbanned. Eventually maybe he can work up to a cfh motorcycle or something. |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:13 pm
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Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Location: New Jersey
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Psycho_Chick wrote: |
a tacky mug emblazoned with the cfh logo |
This could NEVER be tacky.
Anyway...if the admins had known this was Muchez and banned him based on these facts, I'd be inclined to think is was a biased decision. Since they did not know it was him...kinda lends credence to the charge. In his defense, he did come here to explain his side with the right attitude...unlike other times.
Is he good...why yes, I do believe so. He's definitely one of the more talented players around. However, we have many talented players that don't have accusations thrown at them every two minutes like this guy. Miles comes to mind as someone who has extreme talent...I mean, over the top talent...and faced the same scrutiny that Muchez has. It has always miffed me why peeps so talented ever get mixed up in the dark side of this game...with talent like that, you simply don't NEED to do these things
That said...I can't be entirely convinced in either direction. I do have my doubts...but unlike others, continue to hold out faith that he knows what's expected here, knows he'll be watched and knows he'll get NO other chances. I don't see him risking that.
Fjorn has agreed to unban him...and like his initial decision, I will back this one also. Please make sure he's unbanned today...I'll check the ban list when I get home.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:57 pm
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Forum HW
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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If Fjorn is wrong, then why is he admin? You dont know what he saw and sure, he doesnt have evidence, but if someone who commits a petty crime in the world today and has evidence of a lot of other crimes in his past, then they do a speedy trial and give him/her the bad news there. You get what I mean? Im not saying he's right or wrong and im definately not saying take Fjorn off the Admin list...but how can you not believe the admin, especially one of our own?
Just wondering, not trying to pick a fight unless it's with Chips. Then in that case, we'll fight for server rights. |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:55 pm
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Forum H4xor
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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Chips wrote: |
Anyway...if the admins had known this was Muchez and banned him based on these facts, I'd be inclined to think is was a biased decision. |
Actually, having been shown kindness before by you and having played on the server much more recently while having fun, if I had known it was Muchez I would be less inclined to think he was cheating. Besides, knowing someone is a good player means that you know where their skill lever should be. We know Much is a good sniper, therefore the great shots he is making are more likely attributed to his skill. If someone we have no clue beforehand of comes on and is making great shots, he is more suspect in my opinion.
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:13 pm
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Forum Sniper
Joined: 13 Dec 2004
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I only unbanned him because I had no proof
No proof, no ban.
Fair enough? |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:23 pm
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Forum HW
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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I dont think it's fair.
You're set up as an admin to regulate the server. Your word alone should be good enough otherwise Chips shouldnt have you as an admin. I mean, if it was me that you thought was hacking or SB, then sure, proof. But, no offense to Muchez, he's been caught many many times. |
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